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I believe Advocate has the equipment (though an extra monitor could be useful? Not sure if the setup supports it, or if we just need the monitor.), and rhendon's gonna remote in if there's tech setup issues.



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Maybe someone local can bring in a second monitor?
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I think our new multimedia advocate was gonna check on things too

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darkjediknight11 wrote:I think our new multimedia advocate was gonna check on things too
Yep, he's on top of stuff, he was just unsure about that as well, it's up in the air, so I figured I'd mention it here in case a local did have one. :)

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arebelspy wrote: That seems... excessive. No? Going over what every single card does when it hits the table? Do you have much time for anything else? That doesn't drag?
It takes some practice, but if you're doing solo commentary you'd be amazed at how much dead time you have during a game. You're not gonna do it for every single card, but when I do it as much as possible I get a ton of feedback from NARPs about how helpful it is and how hard it is for them to watch the stream otherwise, because they're not great at recognizing pictures or knowing immediately what the cards do and why they might be important. But my philosophy on commentary is that an experienced player can still watch a stream without any commentary and have an enjoyable experience. A NARP can't. My first duty is to the NARP, to make sure that they're able to watch the stream at all. And then my secondary concern is adding additional insight for the experienced player.
I personally think it’s cheesy when we try and make it sound like a baseball game or something. I’d much rather just hear joes thoughts on the game and whatever else (related to swccg) that is on his mind. There’s obviously a line, but the “welcome to the swccg national championship “ type stuff doesn’t do it for me. I’d much rather have it be more informal but still professional if that makes sense.

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Color commentary + fun + awareness of cards & situations + being yourself.
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Please for the love of everything holy, talk quietly as a card is about to hit the table just like a golf analysist when someone is about to hit off of the tee.
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My request is you be ALILDIFFERNT.
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Years ago when I was doing sound and video boards, I was able to play around with live stream and used the anicast that allows live stream editing, this helps greatly with any hidden changes that may suddenly arise

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Cam Solusar wrote:My request is you be ALILDIFFERNT.
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1) Pregame provide general information (round, standings)
2) introductions - player IDs and brief background of what you know about each one.
3) Set up- while they sit and start the game give an overview of the matchup... (i.e. Bob is playing HD vs. Dave's HITCO. His general gameplan should be... )
4) review the table and let us know of anything unusual OR if you think they started something incorrect.. (normally you see x, but it looks like he started y in order to... )
5) Play by play first followed by analysis. During pauses in action.

Don't be afraid to be yourself. If someone makes a mistake point it out (politely) and move on.

I don't know if that is helpful or not.

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Joe I think you're gonna do very well no matter what! I look forward to listening to it after the event.

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Throdo wrote:Joe I think you're gonna do very well no matter what! I look forward to listening to it after the event.
Agreed, it is gonna be awesome. Thank you.
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Brian Kibler (one of the main Hearthstone commentators, and a Hall of Fame Magic: the Gathering player (who's done some commentary for MTG as well) actually discussed a couple things re: good commentary on Twitter last week (in the context of Phil Hellmuth doing some medium-to-bad commentary on a poker tournament). First tweet is here, but I'll duplicate the text below: https://twitter.com/bmkibler/status/1019223790977335296

-For the ESPN broadcast, should expect your audience to comprise of less-experienced players who could benefit from explanations of why a player might make a particular decisions
--I think this holds true for SWCCG to some extent. Not that you have to explain everything , but it can be pretty valuable, especially to newer players

-"There was a lot of “he’s going to fold in ten seconds” and not a lot of “this is a tough spot because he has an underpair and this bet could represent either a hand that beats him or a draw”. The latter is much more valuable context for the audience"

-"A key concept here is that predictive/prescriptive commentary will often be wrong, when the player does something different than what you suggest or anticipate. In that case, either the caster or player appears foolish to some degree."

-"If instead you focus on the factors behind decision making rather than the decision itself, you’re adding value to the audience who understands the situation better, as well as avoiding the trap of making yourself or the player look foolish."

Kibler said he'd make a video about this, and said he was going to film it Sunday - I've not seen it posted anywhere yet, but if it crops up in the next week or so, I'll link to it here. I think some of the above is reasonable advice, though. One caveat for SWCCG commentary is that your info (ie what's in players hands) is generally less than what's availble to MTG/Hearthstone/poker commentators, and there's more text in our game as well.
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DVD ROTS wrote: -"If instead you focus on the factors behind decision making rather than the decision itself, you’re adding value to the audience who understands the situation better, as well as avoiding the trap of making yourself or the player look foolish."
Awesome advice

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Great post, Vik.

Joe, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is if you have time Friday, play around with OBS a bit to get comfortable with the interface (if you already feel comfortable, you can disregard). But things like text overlays and embedded card images work better if you're not figuring out how to do them while also trying to commentate.
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id try to at least get everything setup and do some team tourney/cube stream on friday if you have the chance, because it will give you and everyone else helping a chance to setup and de-bug so that way you can enter saturday with a good head start
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i'll be around friday after 6pm eastern and saturday 6pm eastern and all day sunday to help with tech/commentary/etc
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-A second monitor to look up cards.

-I doubt anyone brand new to the game is going to be watching, it's not worth the effort. If people have questions they can always ask in twitch chat.

-Use as many star wars quotes as possible.

-I think pointing out mistakes is fine; try to explain why they made the mistake or what the thought process was behind it.

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A ton of our stream watchers are NARPs. They’re not brand new to the game, but a lot of them may not have an encyclopedic knowledge of what all the cards look like and do. And looking at twitch chat while doing solo commentary is very hard
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