Holodeck vs Gemp Deckbuilder

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Holodeck vs Gemp Deckbuilder

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Instead of continuing to hijack Shewski's thread, I'll just start this one.

Pertinent chatter thus far:
Hayes wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 12:36 am
marines28 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 12:09 am
arebelspy wrote:
November 25th, 2019, 10:49 pm
Go watch some games on gemp. It's great.

Only the deck builder is bad.
Wait.. . Deck Builder? Whatcha mean?

I do think there should be an "add all defensive shields" box when building a deck.
Joe and I (and likely others) prefer holodeck for deck building.
dx_37 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:23 am
For quite a while, I also preferred holodeck for deck building. As I've re-evaluated, I think it's just because that format is what I was so accustomed to. They are both generally very similar with drop down filters and search functions for cards, they're just laid out differently. The added benefit that I find from the deck builder in gemp is it tells me when I have 60 cards in my deck, where with holotable I sometimes end up with 59 or 61 because the deck total includes shields and cards like Jabba's Prize (v) and I have to do math to figure out if I'm at 60 or not.

Curious what specifically it is that Joe and Hayes (or anyone else) prefer about holotable deckbuilder over gemp. Although I do still use both because holotable lets me self-test a deck before I go live with it in a game on gemp.
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November 26th, 2019, 2:39 am
I have shields and starting effects saved to separate htd files; I always build for 59 as a result.

I like that all cards are included in holodeck wheras not everything is coded in gemp. You can also leave your cursor over the card image and use arrow keys to flip through your list of filtered cards.

Then, once the list is "done" i like being able to lay it out on holotable, so i can see the destiny and card type breakdown/ratios.


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Re: Holodeck vs Gemp Deckbuilder

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That's a good point about hovering the cursor and using the arrow keys to scroll through. That's better. And let me ask for clarification on something. I also have a pre-built shields list which I then build the rest of the deck onto. But it sounds like you save the shields and 59-card deck as separate files and then once on Holotable, you load two different decks? If so, that's genius. I never thought to do it that way.
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I like to build in Holodeck as it allows me to see and scroll through cards easier.

Another benefit (and a big one for me) is that I can self test on Holotable without putting up a game on GEMP. I know you can have a second account on GEMP and ALT + TAB between 2 browsers but holotable is just way easier in that regard. Plus, it's private.
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yup

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Although I admit I haven’t used Holotable in a while, the party I missed most about its deckbuilder is the search capabilities. HT has more robust and nuanced search abilities than Gemp currently does, so it’s easier to find cards when you’re new and don’t know exactly what you’re looking for. On Gemp, I mostly can only search by card title and consistently find things. Given that we also have Scomp and I usually have that tab up also, I don’t think this makes Gemp unusable, but it is a useful strength of HT.
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I like the GEMP Deckbuilder, because if I used Holodeck, I'd then have to build the deck again in GEMP in order to play in GEMP.
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Corran wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 11:48 am
I like the GEMP Deckbuilder, because if I used Holodeck, I'd then have to build the deck again in GEMP in order to play in GEMP.
Why is this bad? I also have all my deck lists typed from memory and saved on google keep. (The idea being that I want to know my decks inside and out; repetition helps reinforce that.)

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The Holodeck builder is sweet because you can just type card names, hit enter X number of times, then continue typing card names and never have to use a mouse.
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Yeah, the GEMP deckbuilder seriously needs a way to easily add/subtract* cards from your deck.



*It's easy enough to remove one. Though sometimes you accidentally click on a card or slip on the shift key and you gotta search it all up again.
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Hayes wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:21 pm
Corran wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 11:48 am
I like the GEMP Deckbuilder, because if I used Holodeck, I'd then have to build the deck again in GEMP in order to play in GEMP.
Why is this bad? I also have all my deck lists typed from memory and saved on google keep. (The idea being that I want to know my decks inside and out; repetition helps reinforce that.)
Short answer, I'm lazy.

If I want to pretend that there's another reason, I tend to tweak my decks after just about every other game(maybe too much). Maintaining them in multiple formats adds an unnecessary step.
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Corran wrote:
Hayes wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:21 pm
Corran wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 11:48 am
I like the GEMP Deckbuilder, because if I used Holodeck, I'd then have to build the deck again in GEMP in order to play in GEMP.
Why is this bad? I also have all my deck lists typed from memory and saved on google keep. (The idea being that I want to know my decks inside and out; repetition helps reinforce that.)
Short answer, I'm lazy.

If I want to pretend that there's another reason, I tend to tweak my decks after just about every other game(maybe too much). Maintaining them in multiple formats adds an unnecessary step.
Of course. That's why we'd like to see the gemp deckbuilder made better.

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I like the GEMP deckbuilder but have never used Holotable.

I do wish GEMP provided the ability to goldfish a deck.

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Maybe someone can just write a program that converts the HT export into the same format as the GEMP import/export.

Someone much smarter tham me.

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Wokling wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 4:08 pm
I like the GEMP deckbuilder but have never used Holotable.

I do wish GEMP provided the ability to goldfish a deck.
Hard agree with this. I mostly don't mind the Gemp deckbuilder, but I do miss the ability to goldfish a bit. Very helpful for getting to understand the viability of a brew, or getting a feel for early-game patterns.
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I've said it before. I think we should copy the Netrunnerdb.com site and make sure you can export to both Holotable and GEMP from there. It has everything you need in terms of deckbuilding, and deck discussion. On top of it, I'm fairly certain it's free to clone. At least it's used on Doomtown, LotR, Marvel Champs and Thrones as far as I know. Possibly more.
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swccgdb.com

It’s in beta, though, and doesn’t seem to have any virtual cards. So seems more like a proof of concept.

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chrknudsen2 wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 3:04 am
swccgdb.com

It’s in beta, though, and doesn’t seem to have any virtual cards. So seems more like a proof of concept.
Wow. Nice. Who do I need to talk to, to help make this. I'm no coder, but if I need to monkeytype some data let me know.
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viewtopic.php?p=1179913#p1179913

Looks like PrestonS was behind it.

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What I really dislike about the Holodeck builder is you need to be very careful about the order of adding cards, or do a lot of clicking to move starting cards up or down the list. In Gemp, you don't need to bother with that.

Gemp's only (understandable) downside in my book is not having all the cards. Tractor Beams, please, now! And Human Shield! :-D

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aermet69 wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 6:42 am
chrknudsen2 wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 3:04 am
swccgdb.com

It’s in beta, though, and doesn’t seem to have any virtual cards. So seems more like a proof of concept.
Wow. Nice. Who do I need to talk to, to help make this. I'm no coder, but if I need to monkeytype some data let me know.
We have already cloned it and added virtual cards. However, it doesn't have much of the functionality of other games, as Preston didn't include that or it was added specifically for those other games, and converting it to work with swccg is much more difficult than those other games due to the ls/ds nature of the game.

If someone wants to help code things, let quickdraw or myself know. We've got a script already that can easily add cards to the database, so that's not a problem, but getting features to work is the problem we've been running into.

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