Operatives?

[OrehRuoy]

I agree with the remove errata and see how it goes option. Always the option to bring back the errata if needed.

[AncientTome]

I also like removing the off-card rules, independent of any other decision. They’re a trap for players who don’t know about them, and thus can’t factor them into their decisions—as the Operatives player or the opponent.

If removing the rules makes Operatives too good, I’d prefer strengthening the shields.

[Gergall]

I'm having some 2nd thoughts about undoing the rules when I consider my friends playing Prem-DS2 and Prem-Ref2 on GEMP. They can't just pull out a No Escape shield and Leave Them To Me shield when they see Operatives.

Although they probably do have No Escape effect in their decklist, and can flex start it, and the effect is much more powerful than the shield. But I don't know if it's enough.

[arebelspy]

We just make a new vcard for them.

Oh wait.

[Corran]

I'm having some 2nd thoughts about undoing the rules when I consider my friends playing Prem-DS2 and Prem-Ref2 on GEMP. They can't just pull out a No Escape shield and Leave Them To Me shield when they see Operatives.

Although they probably do have No Escape effect in their decklist, and can flex start it, and the effect is much more powerful than the shield. But I don't know if it's enough.

You could also just ban them in those formats. Does anyone play Operatives in Prem-DS2? Would it be too complicated to program 2 versions of the cards, one for Deciper era formats and one for PC era ones?

[Clayton Atkin]

We just make a new vcard for them.

Oh wait.

Grand Admiral Potter.

[Tbiesty]

I'm having some 2nd thoughts about undoing the rules when I consider my friends playing Prem-DS2 and Prem-Ref2 on GEMP. They can't just pull out a No Escape shield and Leave Them To Me shield when they see Operatives.

Although they probably do have No Escape effect in their decklist, and can flex start it, and the effect is much more powerful than the shield. But I don't know if it's enough.

Perhaps if the ‘Operative’ rules were actually ‘subjugated’/‘renegade’ planet rules instead. Then there’s options to do other design directions with Operatives and less to remember by isolating the complexity to just those two SE objectives.

[seitaer]

Please don't make operative helper cards without unnerfing them first. Otherwise people would have to memorize the operative rules to play the deck.

#UnnerfOperatives

Operative rules basically just say:
1. Operatives cannot control a site or initiate battle alone
2. You can only have one operative at a site
3. If you have 2 operatives at a site, one is lost

right?

Maybe, if somebody wanted to do virtual operatives, we could just make them ability = 0.

Maybe Ability = 1/2. They can't be dumber than creature vehicles.

This is what Tbiesty's card did.

There were a few operative decks post errata using speeders, but those are nerfed hard by the effect/shield.

[Duros]

[seitaer]

I'd just like to be able to play the objectives again as platforms.

[fungineer]

I'd just like to be able to play the objectives again as platforms.

[arebelspy]

They are fun as a platform.

"You may not deploy cards with the word "Operative in title. Your <>sites are immune to [No Escape/Ounee Ta]."

[TacoBill]

Still waiting on design to make Lothal Uprising

[Shadow 13]

Still waiting on design to make Lothal Uprising

yes please