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Since obvious things aren’t always obvious for some reason, what needs to be included in the code of conduct for Gemp?

1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.

2. This is a community place that does have children come in and play.

Act like a civil human being

3. No personal attacks

We’ve already had people banned for this, theoretically we should all be friends with the possibility that we’ve broken bread with each other at random events. Be good to each other.

Go ahead and add on to this. Please only post what should go in here and a brief explanation as to why.

I know this will begin what may become a war zone but let’s try and keep it simple with more guidelines than hard rules


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Re: Obviously

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Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:28 pm
1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.
Can you explain what you think is wrong about joining a league with multiple accounts? I agree you shouldn't play games against yourself with another account so feel free to skip that in your answer.

Leagues are the current option for games with better competition and are the only way to play sealed. If you have played the max number of games why shouldn't you be able to join with another account?

Maybe there should be different rules for sealed and constructed leagues.
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Sounds like once finalized the “code of conduct” would be a good link for the top of GEMP...
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Echo Base Trooper wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:28 pm
1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.
Can you explain what you think is wrong about joining a league with multiple accounts? I agree you shouldn't play games against yourself with another account so feel free to skip that in your answer.

Leagues are the current option for games with better competition and are the only way to play sealed. If you have played the max number of games why shouldn't you be able to join with another account?
They are no longer the only way to play Sealed,Take your sealed deck and put it in an open 40 card game.

The top portion is specifically why you shouldn’t join a league with multiple accounts. If I play all of my games and put my self in the top ten. And then do that with all of my accounts now everyone else that could have possibly been in the top ten loses their chance at prizes as well. When you join a contest or a tournament you expect to have an equal opportunity to win as everyone else and are relying on your skills or your deckbuilding to give you the edge, being fair. If a good player for sealed, let’s say flood decides he wants to win all of the spots in the top 10 with multiple accounts he could do that. That’s not fair to anyone else. Flood doesn’t use multiple accounts to play he’s simply one of the better sealed players. Dieseljr being another one
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Re: Obviously

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Echo Base Trooper wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:28 pm
1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.
Can you explain what you think is wrong about joining a league with multiple accounts? I agree you shouldn't play games against yourself with another account so feel free to skip that in your answer.

Leagues are the current option for games with better competition and are the only way to play sealed. If you have played the max number of games why shouldn't you be able to join with another account?

Maybe there should be different rules for sealed and constructed leagues.
It's a tough balance. Previously we had no cap on the number of games that you could play in a league, and players complained that the top places sometimes just went to the players who played the most games.

The counter to that is what you described, that once you play your 10-20 games, you are left without a competitive option until the league/series restarts.

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Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:54 pm
Echo Base Trooper wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:28 pm
1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.
Can you explain what you think is wrong about joining a league with multiple accounts? I agree you shouldn't play games against yourself with another account so feel free to skip that in your answer.

Leagues are the current option for games with better competition and are the only way to play sealed. If you have played the max number of games why shouldn't you be able to join with another account?
They are no longer the only way to play Sealed,Take your sealed deck and put it in an open 40 card game.

The top portion is specifically why you shouldn’t join a league with multiple accounts. If I play all of my games and put my self in the top ten. And then do that with all of my accounts now everyone else that could have possibly been in the top ten loses their chance at prizes as well. When you join a contest or a tournament you expect to have an equal opportunity to win as everyone else and are relying on your skills or your deckbuilding to give you the edge, being fair. If a good player for sealed, let’s say flood decides he wants to win all of the spots in the top 10 with multiple accounts he could do that. That’s not fair to anyone else. Flood doesn’t use multiple accounts to play he’s simply one of the better sealed players. Dieseljr being another one
I disagree that's a problem but thank you for explaining more than just saying "it's obvious".

Would you agree the rules should be different between sealed and constructed leagues? Is there a problem if someone joins an open league with an alt to get in some competitive games without revealing what deck they are playing?
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Re: Obviously

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Jedicon wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 5:03 pm
Echo Base Trooper wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:28 pm
1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.
Can you explain what you think is wrong about joining a league with multiple accounts? I agree you shouldn't play games against yourself with another account so feel free to skip that in your answer.

Leagues are the current option for games with better competition and are the only way to play sealed. If you have played the max number of games why shouldn't you be able to join with another account?

Maybe there should be different rules for sealed and constructed leagues.
It's a tough balance. Previously we had no cap on the number of games that you could play in a league, and players complained that the top places sometimes just went to the players who played the most games.

The counter to that is what you described, that once you play your 10-20 games, you are left without a competitive option until the league/series restarts.
The simple answer for that is if there are enough players that have finished their game and want something competitive ... ask. I’ve setup additional leagues and side leagues for years for people to play more. My goal is more games of competitive Star Wars. Just ask. And as far as sealed players wanting something more I can handle that too. But don’t cheat! It never hurts to ask for something, The worst I could say or anyone say is no. I actually have a couple of fun ideas that I want to do but no one ever asks for anything they assume asking forgiveness is easier than asking for anything else.
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Echo Base Trooper wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 5:06 pm
Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:54 pm
Echo Base Trooper wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:49 pm
Batmouse wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 4:28 pm
1. Do not join a league with more than 1 account.

Don’t attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other players either via collusion or attempting to garner a better draw. Don’t cheat. Seriously just don’t cheat.
Wouldn’t think we’d have to write this down but apparently we do.
Can you explain what you think is wrong about joining a league with multiple accounts? I agree you shouldn't play games against yourself with another account so feel free to skip that in your answer.

Leagues are the current option for games with better competition and are the only way to play sealed. If you have played the max number of games why shouldn't you be able to join with another account?
They are no longer the only way to play Sealed,Take your sealed deck and put it in an open 40 card game.

The top portion is specifically why you shouldn’t join a league with multiple accounts. If I play all of my games and put my self in the top ten. And then do that with all of my accounts now everyone else that could have possibly been in the top ten loses their chance at prizes as well. When you join a contest or a tournament you expect to have an equal opportunity to win as everyone else and are relying on your skills or your deckbuilding to give you the edge, being fair. If a good player for sealed, let’s say flood decides he wants to win all of the spots in the top 10 with multiple accounts he could do that. That’s not fair to anyone else. Flood doesn’t use multiple accounts to play he’s simply one of the better sealed players. Dieseljr being another one
I disagree that's a problem but thank you for explaining more than just saying "it's obvious".

Would you agree the rules should be different between sealed and constructed leagues? Is there a problem if someone joins an open league with an alt to get in some competitive games without revealing what deck they are playing?
No they aren’t different there either. We have the message box use your alt to ask for something competitive.
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I would not have any problem with someone playing an alt in an open league (no tournament). Who cares about the ranking in an open league? Whats the other option to test decks for lets say "worlds" or decks you are new to in a at least a little competitive inviroment? Not everybody has or wants to join a team for secret testing... This would really favor players who are long in the game and have a lot of players they can test with. If I remember when there were limits before corona quarantene and I wanted to have an other few games testing I made an alt myself not thinking a single second it could hurt anybodys feeling nor did I want to get a top place. I dont even remember the name of that alt nor the passwort I used...

Other than that, point 2 and 3 is obvious. Stay friendly in victory or loss. We are all here to have a good time, weather its just for fun or to challenge yourself to play as good as possible.

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The only issue I've ever had with alts is the sealed leagues.

Not enough to actually care about it one way or another, as there are certain players in those environments I won't play against.

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Well if people are filling up on their games, then that should be a sign to fire leagues more often. But if everyone just makes an alt and continues to play in the same league, then there will never be a sign to our fearless leader to create more leagues unless people tell him. It isn't hard to do, but if people don't know because everyone is playing alts, it will never get done.

Maybe you don't care, but some people do like to finish at the top of the league. There are prizes for doing so and some events require you to build up those prizes to play in them. If people block others with alts, that is poor sportsmanship.

Also, playing with multiple alts will give bad data on active players and players that like a format. That data could be used to schedule more big events online or putting up events with certain formats.
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rhendon wrote:
October 30th, 2020, 8:57 pm
Well if people are filling up on their games, then that should be a sign to fire leagues more often. But if everyone just makes an alt and continues to play in the same league, then there will never be a sign to our fearless leader to create more leagues unless people tell him. It isn't hard to do, but if people don't know because everyone is playing alts, it will never get done.

Maybe you don't care, but some people do like to finish at the top of the league. There are prizes for doing so and some events require you to build up those prizes to play in them. If people block others with alts, that is poor sportsmanship.

Also, playing with multiple alts will give bad data on active players and players that like a format. That data could be used to schedule more big events online or putting up events with certain formats.
Thats a fair point

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You only get 1 spot in a live event...doesn't make sense you should be able to get more than 1 spot in an online league.

Just my .02

Its definitely an issue for sealed, as people just keep using alt accounts to open packs looking for the best draw so they can try to dominate the field. And that is basically cheating
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gogolen wrote:
October 31st, 2020, 7:58 am
You only get 1 spot in a live event...doesn't make sense you should be able to get more than 1 spot in an online league.

Just my .02

Its definitely an issue for sealed, as people just keep using alt accounts to open packs looking for the best draw so they can try to dominate the field. And that is basically cheating
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gogolen wrote:
October 31st, 2020, 7:58 am
You only get 1 spot in a live event...doesn't make sense you should be able to get more than 1 spot in an online league.

Just my .02

Its definitely an issue for sealed, as people just keep using alt accounts to open packs looking for the best draw so they can try to dominate the field. And that is basically cheating
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I don't do a whole lot of league play, but when I do, I don't want to be playing in a league with alts.

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If the league thing is about me. I did it to see another pool since its a new format with no intention of playing it. I kind of figured it was a no no so I still shouldn't have. It was done with no ill intention just I like opening packs and wanted to see more of episode 1 format. I also was forward with it. Anyways just throwing that out there. I won't do it again. I don't care about the prizes at all so cheating means nothing to me.

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Ref alts.

Any way that creating a GEMP account requires an actual email address and its verification? That could help curb the occurence of such cases. And help track problematic players who don't respect the rules.

I think I ve seen sites that ask you to fill in a phone number and send a verification code there. Can actually be even more robust than pure email checks I suppose

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OrehRuoy wrote:
October 31st, 2020, 6:45 pm
If the league thing is about me. I did it to see another pool since its a new format with no intention of playing it. I kind of figured it was a no no so I still shouldn't have. It was done with no ill intention just I like opening packs and wanted to see more of episode 1 format. I also was forward with it. Anyways just throwing that out there. I won't do it again. I don't care about the prizes at all so cheating means nothing to me.
It’s not about you specifically, just your post in the other thread brought it back to the forefront
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alphabeta wrote:
October 31st, 2020, 7:14 pm
Ref alts.

Any way that creating a GEMP account requires an actual email address and its verification? That could help curb the occurence of such cases. And help track problematic players who don't respect the rules.

I think I ve seen sites that ask you to fill in a phone number and send a verification code there. Can actually be even more robust than pure email checks I suppose
Last update I received is that they’re working on a solution for an better form of security in regards to sign ups
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