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arebelspy wrote:so evan you'd admit the sides are unbalanced more so than you thought when you wanted to bet whomever was talking to you about it?
His bet was to prove a point, and I wouldn't be surprised if he would've won the bet had anyone really taken him up on it.


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well that's what i'm curious about. maybe he'd have won had it been termed "top 8 ds win rate > 50%" or whatever, but i'm wondering if he'll say now that it was about what he expected or if he's surprised by the gap there.

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arebelspy wrote:well that's what i'm curious about. maybe he'd have won had it been termed "top 8 ds win rate > 50%" or whatever, but i'm wondering if he'll say now that it was about what he expected or if he's surprised by the gap there.
I am surprised by the gap for sure. My thinking was the best players would have been able to balance the sides more effectively. I would never suggest to understand the meta or what could be done to "fix" it...but I think this indicates something needs to be done in the next set to balance the sides (people have offered their opinions as to why the imbalance exists).
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The Smoking Gungan wrote:Number of players with an equal number of LS and DS wins:
Top 8: 2 (25%)
Top 20: 2 (10%) (or 3 if you ignore kyle krueger's ds bye)

Number of players with more DS wins than LS wins:
Top 8: 1 (12.5%)
Top 20: 5 (25%) (or 4 if you ignore kyle krueger's ds bye)
just realized that all these ppl (i.e. everyone whose ds did better than or equal to their ls) was either playing endor ops or tto (starting endo ops obv) except for 1 guy playing hdv. lol
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It's interesting that Endor Ops and TTO weren't very dominant decks pre-errata. Now it seems to be the only thing that can win more than a random game or two.

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JediJer wrote:It's interesting that Endor Ops and TTO weren't very dominant decks pre-errata. Now it seems to be the only thing that can win more than a random game or two.
right, cause they didn't need bliz 4 or epp maul nearly as much as other ds decks did, nor did they get hit on activation like other ds decks did. so while other decks were hit bad, they remained relatively okay.

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arebelspy wrote:
JediJer wrote:It's interesting that Endor Ops and TTO weren't very dominant decks pre-errata. Now it seems to be the only thing that can win more than a random game or two.
right, cause they didn't need bliz 4 or epp maul nearly as much as other ds decks did, nor did they get hit on activation like other ds decks did. so while other decks were hit bad, they remained relatively okay.
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JediJer wrote:It's interesting that Endor Ops and TTO weren't very dominant decks pre-errata. Now it seems to be the only thing that can win more than a random game or two.
Actually, TTO was also the biggest dark deck at Worlds last year, if I remember right.
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Meto wrote: Actually, TTO was also the biggest dark deck at Worlds last year, if I remember right.
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JediJer wrote:It's interesting that Endor Ops and TTO weren't very dominant decks pre-errata. Now it seems to be the only thing that can win more than a random game or two.
And I know at least one person who played TTO went 0-4 with it(Dan Kim), so even that isnt consistent.

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gogolen wrote:
JediJer wrote:It's interesting that Endor Ops and TTO weren't very dominant decks pre-errata. Now it seems to be the only thing that can win more than a random game or two.
And I know at least one person who played TTO went 0-4 with it(Dan Kim), so even that isnt consistent.

Very curious to see the full results
yeah jan went 4-0 with it, i went 2-2, kim 0-4 apparently?

so idk, it totally can be beaten (and i beat jan's day 3 with ebo), but at least it can win some games, unlike most dork sides.

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just updated a bit. Well over half of the finishers are up now.
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42 up. 11 to go.
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Rian Johnson wrote: I would be worried if everybody across the board was like "Yea, that was a good movie." It's much more exciting to me when you get a group of people who are coming up to you.....really really excited about it. And then there are other people who walk out literally saying that was the worst movie I've ever seen. Having those two extremes to me is the mark of the type of movie that I want to make.

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Rian Johnson wrote: I would be worried if everybody across the board was like "Yea, that was a good movie." It's much more exciting to me when you get a group of people who are coming up to you.....really really excited about it. And then there are other people who walk out literally saying that was the worst movie I've ever seen. Having those two extremes to me is the mark of the type of movie that I want to make.

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Quick stats tally (Thanks Excel!)

Light Side
FW: 109
TW: 5
FL: 77
TL: 4

Dark Side
FW: 77
TW: 4
FL: 108
TL: 5

Overall records
Light Side: 114-81 (58%)
Dark Side: 81-113 (42%)

(I think the results list is missing a DS FL somewhere, cuz I took out the byes already)
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I think that those statistics prove that the Meta is fine. In Chess Black only has a 45% chance of winning against an equal opponent and there is no fair way to ever correct this unless you really think it's fair to give black more time than the player playing white. 42% chance for DS vs. LS is not that bad in comparison. Just don't do anything stupid by creating dark cards that will give dark more than a 58% chance or give it less than a 42% chance and I think it'll all be fine.

I would like to point out that I had the best score out of all of the players that dropped. Which makes me look extremely cool since I wasn't going to give Mr. Westerguard the time of day after what he pulled in our last match. If I would've decided to for some reason I woulda had LS and finished in 20th place out of 53 players on day 2. For me that sucks anyway, if Westerguard hadn't timed me out I probably would've made day 3. Lack of preparation and ability to obtain cards in time for the event on my part also played a key role. Because if I had every card I needed for my decks and didn't make a game losing mistake against Lee Edwards, I would've had it anyway. But I'll be there next year.
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The Quick wrote:I think that those statistics prove that the Meta is fine. In Chess Black only has a 45% chance of winning against an equal opponent and there is no fair way to ever correct this unless you really think it's fair to give black more time than the player playing white. 42% chance for DS vs. LS is not that bad in comparison. Just don't do anything stupid by creating dark cards that will give dark more than a 58% chance or give it less than a 42% chance and I think it'll all be fine.

I would like to point out that I had the best score out of all of the players that dropped. Which makes me look extremely cool since I wasn't going to give Mr. Westerguard the time of day after what he pulled in our last match. If I would've decided to for some reason I woulda had LS and finished in 20th place out of 53 players on day 2. For me that sucks anyway, if Westerguard hadn't timed me out I probably would've made day 3. Lack of preparation and ability to obtain cards in time for the event on my part also played a key role. Because if I had every card I needed for my decks and didn't make a game losing mistake against Lee Edwards, I would've had it anyway. But I'll be there next year.
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Oh yeah, I also dropped so I could play in the Day 2 Sealed deck event. My understanding was that either the winner, the top 2 or the top 50% would be given a Day 2 Bye for Worlds 2010. Here are those results:

1st - Nick Jones

DS - Chris Wirfs FL -2, Ryan French FW +30, FINAL CONFRONTATION: Will Savola FW +11 = (4) +41

2nd - Will Savola

LS - Jay Griffiths FW +10, Dave Hann FW +12, FINAL CONFRONTATION: Nick Jones FL -11 = (4) +11

3rd - Mike Bell

LS - Dave Hann FW +12, Jay Griffiths FL -10 = (2) +2

4th - Jay Griffiths

DS - Will Savola FL -10, Mike Bell FW +10 = (2) +0

5th - Dan Kim

DS - Ryan French FL -16, Chris Wirfs FW +10 = (2) -6

6th - Chris Wirfs

LS - Nick Jones FW +2, Dan Kim FL -10 = (2) -8

7th - Ryan French

LS - Dan Kim FW +16, Nick Jones FL -30 = (2) -14

8th - Dave Hann

DS - Mike Bell FL -12, Will Savola FL-12 = (0) -24
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The Quick wrote:My understanding was that either the winner, the top 2 or the top 50% would be given a Day 2 Bye for Worlds 2010.
Whoever told you that was wrong. The only byes that day were from the constructed Consolation event that would have started at 11 AM, but did not occur because everyone interested was actually playing in Day 2.
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The Quick wrote:My understanding was that either the winner, the top 2 or the top 50% would be given a Day 2 Bye for Worlds 2010.
Whoever told you that was wrong. The only byes that day were from the constructed Consolation event that would have started at 11 AM, but did not occur because everyone interested was actually playing in Day 2.
Only part of that is true. I was told by the tournament director of the sealed deck event that whatever byes were available for the Consolation event were being passed to this event, since as you said the Consolation event was cancelled, this was held later in it's place. We already talked to Scott Lingrell about it, I haven't heard back from him directly, but that's the deal.

I'm still waiting on my rebates from the worlds events and never received my day 2 prizes. In case there is any confusion on this, how about we forget about the $85 ($25 rebate, $40 in prizes, $20 in additional prizes) and award me the bye either way for the sealed event so I can actually get some sleep for a change before day 2? Afterall it's not like it'd be asking much since I've qualified for day 2 every single time I've gone (four times in a row) and it's what I was told beforehand. Let's stick with what was offered. If that's what happens I'm donating that $85 to the PC, because I know they didn't make any money off of us this year. If not, I'll take the $85 and I'll see you guys in day 2 next year anyway.
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