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(The number before the name was your number in the standings).

In Numerical Order of Standings:

1. Darren Pilbeam as LS vs. 3. JarJarDrinks as DS
2. Spideyguy0 as LS vs. 4. Meto as DS
5. Kryptofis as DS vs. 7. mr007agent as LS
6. quesosauce37 as DS vs. 8. Shewski as LS
9. UCSBYoda as LS vs. 10. Patmagroin as DS
11. DDM as LS vs. Cloudburst as DS


Any questions or problems, let me know. Thank you.



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How come Darren and Casey aren't playing each other if they're 1 and 2?
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Based on the standings after the first two games, only the bottom two pairings are right :?

Unless I'm missing something, it should be:

LS Darren Pilbeam 4(+47) vs Spideyguy0 4(+44)
LS JarJarDrinks 4(+41) vs Meto 2(+14)
LS Kryptofis 2(+1) vs quesosauce37 2(0)
LS mr007agent 2(-3) vs Shewski 2(-10)
LS UCSBYoda 2(-12) vs Patmagroin 0(-37)
LS DDM 0(-39) vs Cloudburst 0(-45)
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shewski and i already played that matchup didnt we?
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The reasons 1. and 2. aren't playing is due to what allegiance they were the previous time.

I quickly did the pairings up at work based off round 2's standings/allegiances; so if any of you already have done the match-up with the same sides, they will need to be changed.

In a normal tournament you alternate LS -> DS -> LS -> DS; this is no different. Thus why if 1. and 2. are both LS they cannot play each other round 3. Round 4 it goes back to any side goes when you do a 6-round tournament.

Round 1 and round 4 are random sides.

I think the only confusion in all of this lies in how I showed the standings which aren't normally done in tournaments; and then that I used those numbers with the players name (for my own sake of mind as I made up the pairings there at work with just a sheet of paper and the computer screen to go off of).

Any questions or comments please let me know.

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but this is the start of a new round, so alligence doesnt matter from previous round, and shewski and i already played that same matchup

so these must get changed
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Darren Pilbeam wrote:Based on the standings after the first two games, only the bottom two pairings are right :?

Unless I'm missing something, it should be:

LS Darren Pilbeam 4(+47) vs Spideyguy0 4(+44)
LS JarJarDrinks 4(+41) vs Meto 2(+14)
LS Kryptofis 2(+1) vs quesosauce37 2(0)
LS mr007agent 2(-3) vs Shewski 2(-10)
LS UCSBYoda 2(-12) vs Patmagroin 0(-37)
LS DDM 0(-39) vs Cloudburst 0(-45)
This list doesn't take into account allegiances of the previous round and arbitrarily sets up whoever has the higher standing to be LS.

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quesosauce37 wrote:but this is the start of a new round, so alligence doesnt matter from previous round, and shewski and i already played that same matchup

so these must get changed
Other than round 4; the previous round's allegiance always matters due to the alternations. If it goes LS -> DS -> DS; there is no alternation.

The only thing that will need to get changed is queso and Shewski due to having already played each other. They get swapped with the players below them on each side of the force.

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Previous:
1. Darren Pilbeam as LS vs. 3. JarJarDrinks as DS
2. Spideyguy0 as LS vs. 4. Meto as DS
5. Kryptofis as DS vs. 7. mr007agent as LS
6. quesosauce37 as DS vs. 8. Shewski as LS
9. UCSBYoda as LS vs. 10. Patmagroin as DS
11. DDM as LS vs. Cloudburst as DS

NEW:
1. Darren Pilbeam as LS vs. 3. JarJarDrinks as DS
2. Spideyguy0 as LS vs. 4. Meto as DS
5. Kryptofis as DS vs. 7. mr007agent as LS
6. quesosauce37 as DS vs. 9. UCSBYoda as LS
8. Shewski as LS vs. 10. Patmagroin as DS
11. DDM as LS vs. Cloudburst as DS


Am I missing any other problems?

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Farmer Bob wrote:
Darren Pilbeam wrote:Based on the standings after the first two games, only the bottom two pairings are right :?

Unless I'm missing something, it should be:

LS Darren Pilbeam 4(+47) vs Spideyguy0 4(+44)
LS JarJarDrinks 4(+41) vs Meto 2(+14)
LS Kryptofis 2(+1) vs quesosauce37 2(0)
LS mr007agent 2(-3) vs Shewski 2(-10)
LS UCSBYoda 2(-12) vs Patmagroin 0(-37)
LS DDM 0(-39) vs Cloudburst 0(-45)
This list doesn't take into account allegiances of the previous round and arbitrarily sets up whoever has the higher standing to be LS.
i thought at the start of a round (this would be round 2) allegience from previous game didnt matter

we always just randomly flipped a coin or somehow randomly determined allegience

you can play ds twice is a row or ls twice in a row in a tourney
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The two players/directors I learned from when I got made a TD was Chad Bowser and Mike Carr; and we almost ALWAYS did 4 games, so you just alternated the entire time.

I was taught - by them - that there is only a separation and break after Game 3; so basically it splits a 6-game tournament into two halves. Where only after "halftime" (ie. round 3) does it go coin-flip.


We can do it either way; its no matter to me, you are all the players. This is just how I was taught, so thats just how I did it. If you prefer it the other way; then fine we can do it that way. Whatever's easier and more accommodating to you; the players.

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we can alternate, sure, but usually the first pairing's allgiences were random, so lets say player one is randomly DS, then players 2,4,6,8 etc were all ls

but the first pairing is where we define everything
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Its fine either way. You players decide.

I'll be out of town until tonight around 9PM; and then whatever you players choose; we'll set up for the pairings.

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Farmer Bob wrote:
Darren Pilbeam wrote:Based on the standings after the first two games, only the bottom two pairings are right :?

Unless I'm missing something, it should be:

LS Darren Pilbeam 4(+47) vs Spideyguy0 4(+44)
LS JarJarDrinks 4(+41) vs Meto 2(+14)
LS Kryptofis 2(+1) vs quesosauce37 2(0)
LS mr007agent 2(-3) vs Shewski 2(-10)
LS UCSBYoda 2(-12) vs Patmagroin 0(-37)
LS DDM 0(-39) vs Cloudburst 0(-45)
This list doesn't take into account allegiances of the previous round and arbitrarily sets up whoever has the higher standing to be LS.
Yeah.... well apart from deciding which player is lightside (coin toss usually although I like to use the Rebel/Imperial pins) that's exactly how it should be done, so why is this a problem?
Farmer Bob wrote:The two players/directors I learned from when I got made a TD was Chad Bowser and Mike Carr; and we almost ALWAYS did 4 games, so you just alternated the entire time.

I was taught - by them - that there is only a separation and break after Game 3; so basically it splits a 6-game tournament into two halves. Where only after "halftime" (ie. round 3) does it go coin-flip.


We can do it either way; its no matter to me, you are all the players. This is just how I was taught, so thats just how I did it. If you prefer it the other way; then fine we can do it that way. Whatever's easier and more accommodating to you; the players.
Then you were taught wrong, quite simply.

A tournament is split into rounds of two games. In each round a player must play as both light and dark, and so has to alternate. After the 2nd game a new round is started and the players are ranked based on their cumulative score and then pairings are done based on that which means that - apart from ensuring the same players don't play the same matchup again - whether a player is light or dark does not depend on their previous games.

It's explained nice and simply in the TD guide that's been on the site for years in the "Running a Tournament" section.

If we alternate after each game as you say, that means that we can never play against 50% of the other players because they're playing the same side each time.
Farmer Bob wrote: I think the only confusion in all of this lies in how I showed the standings which aren't normally done in tournaments
I think you should always show the standings to the players after each round - it's helpful as a player to know how you're doing compared to the rest of the field. It's also helps as a TD to have a 2nd set of eyes look it over to make sure there are no mistakes. I don't see why the standings should be kept confidential.
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Farmer Bob wrote:Its fine either way. You players decide.

I'll be out of town until tonight around 9PM; and then whatever you players choose; we'll set up for the pairings.
I guess this means we're waiting before we play/arrange our games? I assume we will get a day added the deadline for this game.

If you're asking for opinions than I agree with Darren. You never take into account the previous round allegiance at the start of a round. Has always been this way.
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Agree with everyone else. Allegiance does not matter in odd numbered games. The only reason it matters in even numbered games is to make sure people play the same number of games with each side.

1 should play 2, 3 should play 4, etc. in this round, regardless of allegiance. I've never seen a tournament work any other way.
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yeah, I'd be a fan of running the pairings per the tourney guide.
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The last thing we need is another complaint about online play being illegitimate, so I'm voting for doing it properly.
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So the who am I playing? Kryptofis again? If so our allegiance isn't correct.
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