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Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate



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JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Yeah but only 3 times, and really only if there are < 3 senators there

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and only if the deck doesn't run a guard - in which case galen is good exactly zero times.
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Can someone enlight me here?
JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Why is Galen good clearing the senate? Because adds bd to Power or Attrition?
What would be his power in there?
darkjediknight11 wrote:Yeah but only 3 times, and really only if there are < 3 senators there
Why only 3 times?
Why only if there only < 3 senators? Beatdown on him?
MAVanDriel wrote:and only if the deck doesn't run a guard - in which case galen is good exactly zero times.
What Guard?

I'm really trying to understand this and improve my knowledge on the game. I just restarted playing last moth after a big absence from the game.

Thank you for your help!

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SWCCGPT wrote:
JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Why is Galen good clearing the senate? Because adds bd to Power or Attrition?
What would be his power in there?
Adding a destiny to attrition while armed with his saber is what "clears" the senate. His power = 0, so if they get too much politics, his forfeit won't cover the battle damage.
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darkjediknight11 wrote:Yeah but only 3 times, and really only if there are < 3 senators there
Why only 3 times?
Why only if there only < 3 senators? Beatdown on him?
Most decks only play 3 of him. I am not sure on the <3 senators comment. I guess he means if there are more than three they will outpower you too much and you will start taking overflow.
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MAVanDriel wrote:and only if the deck doesn't run a guard - in which case galen is good exactly zero times.
What Guard?
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SWCCGPT wrote:
JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Why is Galen good clearing the senate? Because adds bd to Power or Attrition?
What would be his power in there?
Adding a destiny to attrition while armed with his saber is what "clears" the senate. His power = 0, so if they get too much politics, his forfeit won't cover the battle damage.
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darkjediknight11 wrote:Yeah but only 3 times, and really only if there are < 3 senators there
Why only 3 times?
Why only if there only < 3 senators? Beatdown on him?
Most decks only play 3 of him. I am not sure on the <3 senators comment. I guess he means if there are more than three they will outpower you too much and you will start taking overflow.
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MAVanDriel wrote:and only if the deck doesn't run a guard - in which case galen is good exactly zero times.
What Guard?
Coruscant Guard
Thank you for your help Michael.
I guess then that Shannon and Nelson had some other strategy thinked to fight LS Senate.
Do you have a idea of what that would be?

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You don't need to fight in the senate to beat a Senate deck. In fact most of the time you don't want to fight there. Your best bet against Senate is to keep them off of OTHER locations.
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puck71 wrote:You don't need to fight in the senate to beat a Senate deck. In fact most of the time you don't want to fight there. Your best bet against Senate is to keep them off of OTHER locations.
That bring us to my original Post:
SWCCGPT wrote:What's the planned strategy of the HDv decklist against LS Senate?

There's no Tarkin's Bounty(v) or Ability, Ability, Abilty(v) that I think might help in this matchup.

I'm not a "strong" player, but I just played this matchup, and didn't even managed to keep a BG. A single EPP Luke, managed to clear Vader+Saber, EPP Mara Jade and Myn Kyneugh (V) from a BG and winning the Battle and Resilienced!

This kind of battles kept happening during all the game!

I'm sure Shannon and Nelson had a strategy planned for this matchup. Anyone can help here?

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JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Except when Mon Mothma blind draws a Might of the Republic with Weapon Lev. I felt guilty afterwards.
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sac89837 wrote:
JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Except when Mon Mothma blind draws a Might of the Republic with Weapon Lev. I felt guilty afterwards.
She "passed" by Weapon Of A Sith ?

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SWCCGPT wrote: She "passed" by Weapon Of A Sith ?
Weapon of a Sith requires a draw >= the target's ability. Might of the Republic and Galen are both 5's. This is also why chewie's bowcaster was never used before Gunrunner.
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sac89837 wrote:
JediJer wrote:Galen is pretty good at clearing the senate
Except when Mon Mothma blind draws a Might of the Republic with Weapon Lev. I felt guilty afterwards.
Oh man, that sounds hilarious. I wouldn't feel bad at all.
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SWCCGPT wrote:Thank you for your help Michael.
I guess then that Shannon and Nelson had some other strategy thinked to fight LS Senate.
Do you have a idea of what that would be?

P.S. Congratulations for winning the worlds Consolational event again! Or as someone put it, the "The Michael Richards Invitational"! :)
No problem! I honestly don't know what their strategy could be but I do know it would involve a lot of patience. If they had Tarkin's bounty in the deck they would auto-win. It would be in my list...

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hdv's plan against senate is to set up its own locations
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WiseMarsellus wrote:hdv's plan against senate is to set up its own locations
Then they lose.
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WiseMarsellus wrote:wrong
Haha... ok.
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Gameplan vs LS Senate depends on how the LS plays it. LS has to play around the threat of Galen dropping to the senate and clearing 2x senators so they probably don't flip till like turn 2 or 3. It's also NOT that easy for LS senate to overflow Galen & Cyborg due to their anti-forfeit reduction game text. Generally with LS senate tricks, one EPP obi is worth 2 DS mains...this isn't the case with Galen and Cyborg.

General gameplan: Vader + Empy to the 3/2 site and pull Imp Justice v with their first or second pull. Then go to space with the fighter...even if it's just with Thrawn. If Senate wants to dedicate a crap ton of resources (e.g. HCF) to kicking you off Endor, whatever, let them pay three all game long to drain you for 1. Sniper combo can randomly be played at the Senate to hit like Horax or Yarua so sometimes 3 senators aren't even safe from getting cleared by Galen. Dr. E Combo to the 2/2 means sometimes LS never even gets to their tricks.

Senate CAN win the matchup but they are at a pretty big disadvantage because the 7-side of HDv is one of the best Senate counters in the game and coupled with Imp Justice v it's a really uphill battle. HDv chokes and puts on pressure and does DD for hitting with sabers and pulls their red, etc.

I'd venture that if HDv didn't exist (but TBv and AAAv did) LS senate would see a lot more play.
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Airdog2003 wrote:Gameplan vs LS Senate depends on how the LS plays it. LS has to play around the threat of Galen dropping to the senate and clearing 2x senators so they probably don't flip till like turn 2 or 3. It's also NOT that easy for LS senate to overflow Galen & Cyborg due to their anti-forfeit reduction game text. Generally with LS senate tricks, one EPP obi is worth 2 DS mains...this isn't the case with Galen and Cyborg.

General gameplan: Vader + Empy to the 3/2 site and pull Imp Justice v with their first or second pull. Then go to space with the fighter...even if it's just with Thrawn. If Senate wants to dedicate a crap ton of resources (e.g. HCF) to kicking you off Endor, whatever, let them pay three all game long to drain you for 1. Sniper combo can randomly be played at the Senate to hit like Horax or Yarua so sometimes 3 senators aren't even safe from getting cleared by Galen. Dr. E Combo to the 2/2 means sometimes LS never even gets to their tricks.

Senate CAN win the matchup but they are at a pretty big disadvantage because the 7-side of HDv is one of the best Senate counters in the game and coupled with Imp Justice v it's a really uphill battle. HDv chokes and puts on pressure and does DD for hitting with sabers and pulls their red, etc.

I'd venture that if HDv didn't exist (but TBv and AAAv did) LS senate would see a lot more play.
I don't know if you guys actually playtested this or it is all conjecture but if I were the Senate player I would focus all my efforts on keeping HDV on the 0 side so I could cancel that endor drain the entire game. If you don't find your Justice V, I see the DS player being in a world of hurt. This is of course, me playing a different type of senate than what is the "norm" I guess you would say. I played Sense x3 in my build and had extra clashes and Sorry about the mess combos. In my opinion I still believe Senate is advantaged in this matchup, unless, of course, you have tarkin's bounty V in your deck, then you barely have a shot at winning at all,
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