The Last Jedi Mafia GAME OVER - SCUM WINS

[vhstapes]

I make one minor mistake with some numbers. That's remaker's entire case against me. Picking one little mistake such as that is a typical scum move. He hasn't been helpful despite what he is saying to the contrary. Actually read his posts and try to find something that has been helpful in any way, shape, or form and I will reconsider him being scum.

Apollyon fake claiming coroner wouldn't really surprise me either.

Tapes not voting for remaker and remaker not voting feels really suspicious as well.

change vote remaker

I wanted to talk it out a bit before voting.

You're the right one to ask, I think - is there a way to search just this topic for posts by Remaker? Or am I really supposed to go scan through 100+ pages and read all of his posts? I also don't recall Apollyon being all that helpful either, in fact I recall him purposefully doing things that hurt the town.

You could be just saying that Apollyon fake claiming wouldn't surprise you so that when he flips red you don't look even more suspicious.

IMO this Remaker bandwagon is a poor play snowballing into the lynching of yet another townie. As is the vote still gets Remaker lynched so until votes move I see no reason to move mine, in case some other players want to actually try to lynch a mutineer this time.

[Apollyon]

There's the Search This Topic bar up top (right underneath the TLJ Mafia GAME thread). Click the settings to search by a person.

[JarJarDrinks]

Apollyon (2) - vhstapes, Remaker
Remaker (4) - Advocate, Apollyon, puck71, JediJer

[puck71]

I have some stuff I want to search for but I can't really do it from my phone. I'll be home at least a couple hours before the deadline though.

What I plan to look at are remakers votes and vote changed (or lack thereof), and apolyons claimed actions as coroner.

[JediJer]

I make one minor mistake with some numbers. That's remaker's entire case against me. Picking one little mistake such as that is a typical scum move. He hasn't been helpful despite what he is saying to the contrary. Actually read his posts and try to find something that has been helpful in any way, shape, or form and I will reconsider him being scum.

Apollyon fake claiming coroner wouldn't really surprise me either.

Tapes not voting for remaker and remaker not voting feels really suspicious as well.

change vote remaker

I wanted to talk it out a bit before voting.

You're the right one to ask, I think - is there a way to search just this topic for posts by Remaker? Or am I really supposed to go scan through 100+ pages and read all of his posts? I also don't recall Apollyon being all that helpful either, in fact I recall him purposefully doing things that hurt the town.

You could be just saying that Apollyon fake claiming wouldn't surprise you so that when he flips red you don't look even more suspicious.

IMO this Remaker bandwagon is a poor play snowballing into the lynching of yet another townie. As is the vote still gets Remaker lynched so until votes move I see no reason to move mine, in case some other players want to actually try to lynch a mutineer this time.

To search by post author, you actually can go to the advanced search (the gear icon next to the search box) and search this forum by post author. That's the easiest way. I actually posted this way back on day 1 when batmouse asked.

suggesting rey use the OPG on batmouse was helpful. it was ignored. it let cam kill 2 townies.
suggesting we ignore SK for a lynch slot cuz he can't do anything next night. we don't. kill THREE town in a day.

I would have to go back and look, but I didn't think you were the first to suggest those things, you just agreed with someone who did. Also, I don't know who it was that was getting after rhendon and myself for talking about ignoring the SK as trying to keep him alive (maybe Meto?).

you also said i didn't vote, which i actually did do.

I was only looking at the most recent vote count when I wrote that. I'm sorry that I didn't see your vote shortly after that. I was on my phone and somehow missed it. It was sincerely an honest mistake.

[JediJer]

I'm going to try and give a brief summary of remaker's posts, with links to each one. It's a grand total of about 40 posts, if you don't count the 2 posts before his role received post, his rr post, and a duplicate post.

Day 1
post 1 - asking for clarification about rumor text and asking about advocate newsletter viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1211794#p1211794
post 2 - response to djk's response to previous post viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1211802#p1211802
post 3 - asking about length of day 1 viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1211831#p1211831
post 4 - spinning thinking head gif in response to arebelspy post viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1211878#p1211878
post 5 - votes for apollyon, not liking how he "accidentally" used a RNG viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212027#p1212027
post 6 - asking if the crazy might not be in the game viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212056#p1212056
post 7 - posting about the percentages of scum/town/crazy viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212063#p1212063
post 8 - response to hunter about playing in other games viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212191#p1212191
post 9 - asking for clarification on apollyon's data collection methods. This is probably the first semi-helpful post in the game viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212319#p1212319
post 10 - response to dorshe about all his questions, which he says no one would think much of IRL. Most of his questions to this point revolved around the rules of the game, and not anything going on in the game itself. viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212483#p1212483
post 11 - defends his lurking by saying it's how he plays irl, posts about apollyon's poor play, thinks "the vhstapes thing is hilarious", wants to see batlogic and says "we'll see if he posts anything in the next few hours, otherwise I'll change my vote to him" and unvotes viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212793#p1212793
post 12 - explains what IID means viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212924#p1212924
post 13 - response to cam asking tapes to claim, states he already claimed vanilla viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212940#p1212940
post 14 - follow up to previous post, ribbing cam for not reading viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1212946#p1212946
post 15 - posts that he's golfing, meto has been lurking, wondering why hunter voted for him, votes for Meto viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213062#p1213062

Night 1 posts
post 16 - responding to rhendon's poe comment about checking rumors viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213166#p1213166
post 17 - suggests not detaining batmouse in response to Hunter shooting down batmouse's request for detainment, also mentions rey's opg (she either does nothing or use the opg) viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213210#p1213210
post 18 - post about the forged pardon and further discussion about Rey and the opg viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213237#p1213237
post 19 - reply to Hunter's prompting to answer his own question from his previous post viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213241#p1213241
post 20 - asking if Hunter agrees with his responses viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213244#p1213244
post 21 - defensive response about the golfing post viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1213289#p1213289

Day 2 posts
post 22 - response to one of caldred's big posts, says that he himself hasn't contributed anything substantial to the game (something I will call him on later and he will deny that he hasn't been helpful), doesn't think dorshe was chewie, question about checking for NA on someone who is dead viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&start=1040#p1213763
post 23 - votes for gergall (this is 1 minute before the deadline) viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&start=1500#p1214667

Night 2 posts
none

Day 3 posts
post 24 - response to advocate explaining that djk probably died to rey viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215227#p1215227
post 25 - further trying to explain to advocate how djk died viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215262#p1215262
post 26 - posting his choices to rhendon's request, note that the first person he lists is TB viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215330#p1215330
post 27 - weak defense of Meto's vote, suggests holding off on voting out TB and changes his three choices. Caldred had actually mentioned keeping TB alive two pages earlier, here, rhendon mentioned it even earlier here.
post 28 - realizes the SK unblockable isn't opg, but every two nights, so suggests lynching taco viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215643#p1215643
post 29 - just a big image in response to advocate stating he posted a role claim viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215719#p1215719
post 30 - goes back to saying that it isn't urgent to kill taco right away viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215949#p1215949
post 31 - fidget spinner gif, saying I can't math viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1215953#p1215953
post 32 - tells me where I messed up my math, agrees that Advocate is Leia, and votes Meto viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216040#p1216040
post 33 - won't lock on cam, as he wasn't on his list viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216128#p1216128
post 34 - changes and locks vote on cal viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216142#p1216142
post 35 - suggests meto, in response to advocate asking meto or rhendon viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216142#p1216142

Night 3 posts
post 36 - wrong about meto viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216430#p1216430

Day 4 posts
post 37 - says he made suggestions but they were ignored (seriously? what suggestions?). posts a bit about the other people left in the game viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216867#p1216867
post 38 - defends his lack of contributing again, saying we're wrong, and that he has pointed out terrible plays (that isn't helpful when it's pointing out things that dead people have done). votes for apollyon viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216936#p1216936
post 39 - responds to tapes about when the day ends viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216939#p1216939
post 40 - again defends his suggestions when I call him on it again. Finally actually pointing them out viewtopic.php?f=693&t=70216&p=1216983#p1216983

So if you go back and read his posts, I don't think he's been as helpful as he claims. He wasn't the first to suggest keeping Taco out of the noose, and he even flip flopped on it. The only suggestion he gave that we didn't follow was clear back on night 1. He may not have even been the first to suggest Rey OPG batmouse (I didn't go back to see who first suggested it).

[puck71]

So that's a lot more detail than I got, but I looked just at remaker's votes. This isn't hard evidence, but scum teams know that votes, especially vote changes, are often used to catch them, so at least some of the scum players try to minimize vote changes.

Day 1
Piled on apollyon early in the day, then later in the day unvoted and then moved to meto at the end of the day, a meaningless singleton vote.

Day 2
Only vote was Gergall at the very last minute. This is a bit of a point in his favor, since Gergall was scum and that vote wasn't a runaway, but still, no other votes until that one.

Day 3
Initial vote on meto, then followed scott's play and locked on caldred

Honestly that's a little better than I thought it would look before I searched, but all those votes except gergall are pretty meaningless. JJ's last post regarding the actual content of his posts is much better. After lunch I'll look over apollyon's posts.

[puck71]

Here's a summary of what apollyon has said he's done as the coronoer.

Day 2
Asks right away which corpse he should investigate. More people wanted him to check arebelspy, but he says that he checked dorshe1 and found him to be killed by the wolves.

Night 2
Admits he lied and that he actually checked arebelspy on Day 2, and it came back as a lightsaber kill (Rey/Cam).

Day 3
Early in the day, checked wise and found him to be killed by the wolves. Then didn't post much the rest of the day except to vote. He did say he wouldn't be able to post much.

So at first I thought we should have talked about starting his OPG on Day 3. But if he actually did check arebelspy on Day 2, that would be pointless, since Cam admitted to killing him, and is now dead anyway. But he has lied and done his own thing all game, so do we really know any of that? In any case I feel like we should discuss what action he should take. The lying and just doing his own thing all game isn't something town would (or should) do. I think Robbie pointed out very well (in night 2 I think) why that lie set the town back quite a bit. Cam did some similar things and he flipped green, but apollyons actions really seem like traitor coronor to me. Playing off his "mistakes" just enough to not draw too much heat, but still setting the town in the wrong direction.

[Remaker]

thanks for the list, i forgot some of the items there.

#17 not detaining batmouse turned out to be the right play
#18 at this point in the game with scott as leia, we know the pardon was forged. It seemed pretty obvious at the time, but still the right call was made
#22 doesn't think dorshe was chewie, turns out he wasn't
#23 the super late vote for gergall, this was to ensure he died because votes were very tight, which he did.
#33 won't lock on cam, turns out this was correct as well, which was ignored by scott and others
#38 this is my posting that my suggestions would have kept those people alive, so i think it is valid, where again were ignored

I may not be as helpful as some, but not once have I actually hurt us or attempted to lead us down the wrong path in any way.

[JediJer]

Day 4 ends 9/9 @ 4pm

There is ONE noose.

Did the narrator forget?

[WiseMarsellus]

[JarJarDrinks]

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Apollyon (2) - vhstapes, Remaker
Remaker (4) - Advocate, Apollyon, puck71, JediJer

Remaker - Mutineer - lynched day 4

night ends tomorrow at 4

[Advocate]

Duck yeah

[arebelspy]

Duck yeah

[JediJer]

Maths incoming.
So if there is just one scum left then tapes looks really bad right now. If there are two left then I have to say it's tapes and puck.

[vhstapes]

Maths incoming.
So if there is just one scum left then tapes looks really bad right now. If there are two left then I have to say it's tapes and puck.

Yeah that was unfortunate for my "image" but I have been and shall remain vanilla town. Definitely a mistake there on my part though.

If I were scum though I feel like me trying to defend Remaker when he was down 2 votes would be like next level horrible play. I just really felt like (and still feel like) Apollyon could be the traitor coroner. Otherwise I just don't see why he would lie and all of that. Do you have reason to believe he's town? At this point you're putting in way more work and seem to have a pretty good grasp of what's going on (aside from reading me as red but I'm a n00b playing like an idiot so hard to blame you) so I'm interested in your take on that whole situation.

[Apollyon]

Maths incoming.
So if there is just one scum left then tapes looks really bad right now. If there are two left then I have to say it's tapes and puck.

Yeah that was unfortunate for my "image" but I have been and shall remain vanilla town. Definitely a mistake there on my part though.

If I were scum though I feel like me trying to defend Remaker when he was down 2 votes would be like next level horrible play. I just really felt like (and still feel like) Apollyon could be the traitor coroner. Otherwise I just don't see why he would lie and all of that. Do you have reason to believe he's town? At this point you're putting in way more work and seem to have a pretty good grasp of what's going on (aside from reading me as red but I'm a n00b playing like an idiot so hard to blame you) so I'm interested in your take on that whole situation.

I've voted red (or SK) every time.

[puck71]

I've voted red (or SK) every time.

It's easier for scum to do that than town. But I have to think more on this. I've been tunnelling on you pretty hard which could be real bad when numbers are this low.

[vhstapes]

I've voted red (or SK) every time.

I gotta agree with Puck that this is, in a way, more incriminating. Like, town usually make some mistakes on who they vote for. Your 'mistakes' have all been purposefully misusing your abilities and lying, so...

But, the tunnel is real, and we're dropping like flies, so maybe you have an argument for who else should be a target?

[JediJer]

So I didn't really get to the math. I'll try, but I'm on my phone so I might make some mistakes. If course now that remaker is gone, no one will nitpick it.

So we're at either 4/1 or 3/2. If it's 3/2 then we can't afford a mislynch on day 5. If it's 4/1 then we have a little breathing room. I should have a better idea of who to go after once the night is over. I'm on a plane in Dallas on my way to Maryland and don't know if I will be able to post an iid