25th World Championship- Final Schedule & Information

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imrahil327 wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 6:45 am

IMPORTANT DATES

-November 25, 11:59 PM EST: Registration closes
-November 27: Heat information is posted: a roster for each heat, as well as whether any heats have been removed or added
-December 4, 12:01 AM EST: All Day 1 decklists (for all heats) are due to decklists@starwarsccg.org
-December 5 & 6: Day 1 Heats (see below)
-December 11, 12:01 AM EST: All Day 2 decklists are due to decklists@starwarsccg.org
-December 12, 10:00 AM EST: Day 2 games begin
-December 13, 9:00 AM EST: All Day 3 decklists are due to decklists@starwarsccg.org
-December 13, 9:00 AM EST: Day 3 matchups are drawn
-December 13, 10:00 AM EST: Day 3 games begin
Shouldnt heat information be posted yesterday?



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arebelspy wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 3:36 am
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In theory, you could continue counting SOS from your day 1 opponents that also advanced but I hope thats not whats happening.
That wouldn't come out "even" for people who had more opponents advance, or not. Plus people change decks, etc. so the situation is different a week later; I agree that the SOS's should be combined, rather than "continued."

All 4-2s on day 2 should start at the same place, ditto all 5-1s, etc., with 0 SOS on the day. Then later combine it with their previous one.
Agree with adding day 2 "fresh" sos to day 1 sos.

Also agree that posting lists after day 1 is the most fair approach.
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stealtheblind wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 9:02 am
arebelspy wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 3:36 am
Death Star wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 2:19 am
In theory, you could continue counting SOS from your day 1 opponents that also advanced but I hope thats not whats happening.
That wouldn't come out "even" for people who had more opponents advance, or not. Plus people change decks, etc. so the situation is different a week later; I agree that the SOS's should be combined, rather than "continued."

All 4-2s on day 2 should start at the same place, ditto all 5-1s, etc., with 0 SOS on the day. Then later combine it with their previous one.
Agree with adding day 2 "fresh" sos to day 1 sos.

Also agree that posting lists after day 1 is the most fair approach.
If the three guys in this quote can send me their lists by Thursday I will ensure they are posted after Day 1.
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Dude, you're the one coming up with my lists, remember?

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imrahil327 wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 6:45 am

IMPORTANT DATES

-December 4, 12:01 AM EST: All Day 1 decklists (for all heats) are due to decklists@starwarsccg.org
TacoBill wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 9:42 am
Remember, all decklists will be due by Friday, December 4th at 11:59 EST.
Wat?

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So lists are due before Road To Worlds ends?
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Hayes wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 12:59 pm
imrahil327 wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 6:45 am

IMPORTANT DATES

-December 4, 12:01 AM EST: All Day 1 decklists (for all heats) are due to decklists@starwarsccg.org
TacoBill wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 9:42 am
Remember, all decklists will be due by Friday, December 4th at 11:59 EST.
Wat?
Can we please get the deadline fixed? Going from 9pm Friday to 9pm Thursday (Pacific time zone) is actually rather complicating. That means that I have to finish my lists by Wednesday to be safe.
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Disagree to move deadline because of time zone. Meaning 12:01am EST or 11:59pm EST to 3:01am EST or 2:59pm EST.

What people don't realize is that for online majors, we have a lot of prep that goes on at all times. For TMW I stayed up until all deck lists were submitted. So that way I didn't have to wake up and figure out penalties for those that were late. I didn't have to sort by pods for deck checks with last minute additions. It made it far easier on tournament day to have everything ready to go. It isn't fair to tournament staff to have to sacrifice even more sleep to accommodate this request.

For MPC/TMW we did deadline on Friday not Thursday. For consistency, I'd say we keep it on Friday but if it causes too much for the tournament staff with the 4am start time for first heat, that seems reasonable to move it back a day as it was announced in advance.

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That work is certainly appreciated! No one has to stay up until the first minute of Friday morning in California for this; it is easily assessed later Friday morning when folks awake of natural causes. It's not like someone is going to be sitting there at 12:01 am handing out penalties 28 hours before the first heat.
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rhendon wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 9:45 pm
It isn't fair to tournament staff to have to sacrifice even more sleep to accommodate this request.

For MPC/TMW we did deadline on Friday not Thursday. For consistency, I'd say we keep it on Friday but if it causes too much for the tournament staff with the 4am start time for first heat, that seems reasonable to move it back a day as it was announced in advance.
Totally reasonable, and as a benefit, the moving it to a day earlier means no one needs to stay up like you did (thanks!), but instead can sleep, and still have all day Friday to look at stuff (likely when they would anyways, rather than at midnight eastern).

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arebelspy wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 1:20 am
rhendon wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 9:45 pm
It isn't fair to tournament staff to have to sacrifice even more sleep to accommodate this request.

For MPC/TMW we did deadline on Friday not Thursday. For consistency, I'd say we keep it on Friday but if it causes too much for the tournament staff with the 4am start time for first heat, that seems reasonable to move it back a day as it was announced in advance.
Totally reasonable, and as a benefit, the moving it to a day earlier means no one needs to stay up like you did (thanks!), but instead can sleep, and still have all day Friday to look at stuff (likely when they would anyways, rather than at midnight eastern).
My thought exactly. Seems like the Thursday evening time splits the difference nicely but moving the deadline to 11:59pm Pacific instead of 11:59 Eastern/8:59 Pacific doesn't change anything for the tournament staff but might make a significant difference for the players.

It doesn't hurt that my Thursday and Friday evenings are usually booked full so I can't really use that extra deckbuilding time anyway :).
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arebelspy wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 1:20 am
rhendon wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 9:45 pm
It isn't fair to tournament staff to have to sacrifice even more sleep to accommodate this request.

For MPC/TMW we did deadline on Friday not Thursday. For consistency, I'd say we keep it on Friday but if it causes too much for the tournament staff with the 4am start time for first heat, that seems reasonable to move it back a day as it was announced in advance.
Totally reasonable, and as a benefit, the moving it to a day earlier means no one needs to stay up like you did (thanks!), but instead can sleep, and still have all day Friday to look at stuff (likely when they would anyways, rather than at midnight eastern).
That's fair Joe. I think that is an ok compromise. That gives them the extra full day on Friday to organize it.

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What is the fair compromise mentioned here? Wednesday night, 11:59 PM (so essentially Thursday? People would rather have a full day cut off? That feels like the wrong thing to do with less than a week until the event.
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November 29th, 2020, 2:14 am
What is the fair compromise mentioned here? Wednesday night, 11:59 PM (so essentially Thursday? People would rather have a full day cut off? That feels like the wrong thing to do with less than a week until the event.
The fair compromise is to have decks due Thursday night into Friday, which matches a previous announcement (I think? Feels like they've changed a bunch). Our suggestion is to set that time at 11:59pm Pacific Time Thursday Dec 3rd (which will be sometime on Friday Dec 4th for most everyone else).

Unless I've misread people, there didn't seem to be much opposition to that.
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Compromise isn't even the word I'd use. It's just "decklists are due Thursday night, midnight" and a few people are requesting that said midnight is pst instead of est. Still 28 hours before the event. If it's no because some people view it as caving to whiners, okay. I can see that. If it's yes, because that doesn't really impact anyone negatively and helps a few people, cool. I don't see why changing it to add 3 hours to the deadline now, 5 days before, would bother anyone, but a policy of "we aren't changing anything else, it's already done" is reasonable.

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imrahil327 wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 2:14 am
What is the fair compromise mentioned here? Wednesday night, 11:59 PM (so essentially Thursday? People would rather have a full day cut off? That feels like the wrong thing to do with less than a week until the event.
It is what Joe posted above. Basically deck lists are due by Midnight (or 11:59/12:01 whatever) PST rather than EST on Thursday night. So 3amish Friday morning for EST folks. Still 25 hours before event goes live at 4am + gives times for volunteers to organize decks and get ready for checks and stuff. Little difference for most people but it would also allow deadline for some of Europe to be at 9am so allows them to wake up and submit if they choose.

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Just saw this debate about changing decklist due date to Thursday.

If you do this, make sure you e-mail all the participants because not everyone is continuously checking the forums.

It seems a bit late for this change either way honestly. Priority should be on getting the rules out. It looks like we have a lot of first timers signed up.
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itcouldbewirfs wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm
Just saw this debate about changing decklist due date to Thursday.

If you do this, make sure you e-mail all the participants because not everyone is continuously checking the forums.

It seems a bit late for this change either way honestly. Priority should be on getting the rules out. It looks like we have a lot of first timers signed up.
Yep, rules post will be going up in the next day or so.
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itcouldbewirfs wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm
Just saw this debate about changing decklist due date to Thursday.

If you do this, make sure you e-mail all the participants because not everyone is continuously checking the forums.

It seems a bit late for this change either way honestly. Priority should be on getting the rules out. It looks like we have a lot of first timers signed up.
The due date for decklists has always been thursday. It had just not been communicated explicitely apart from the list of dates.
I had not been aware until recently and assumed friday night like probably a couple of other people, but the discussed change is to move back the due date to give you west coasters 3 hours more time. Nothing wrong with this.

I can imagine though that a few mails will have to go out on early friday for those who are not regularly reading the forums and missed the deadline.
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Death Star wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 5:38 pm
itcouldbewirfs wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm
Just saw this debate about changing decklist due date to Thursday.

If you do this, make sure you e-mail all the participants because not everyone is continuously checking the forums.

It seems a bit late for this change either way honestly. Priority should be on getting the rules out. It looks like we have a lot of first timers signed up.
The due date for decklists has always been thursday. It had just not been communicated explicitely apart from the list of dates.
I had not been aware until recently and assumed friday night like probably a couple of other people, but the discussed change is to move back the due date to give you west coasters 3 hours more time. Nothing wrong with this.

I can imagine though that a few mails will have to go out on early friday for those who are not regularly reading the forums and missed the deadline.

Ah yes, I think I was confused by Hayes' post with Taco Bill's quote.
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